On Tuesday, during the announcement of the finalists of the Craque do Brasileirão, the Football Museum in Sao Paulo, the Brazilian coach virtually ruled out any chance of calling the Phenomenon in a friendly on 3rd March next year (the opponent is still undefined).
Since being in command since August 2006, Dunga has opted for a very different Brazilian squad, omitting both Ronaldo and Ronaldinho from the squad. The coach believes that calling Ronaldo right now would be a mistake.
“There are some players who do not need to be tested, but I’ll ask you something. Do not let the fans induce me into the same mistakes of the past,” – said Dunga, giving an ironic tone to his statement.
In 2006, Germany, Ronaldo arrived for the competition visibly overweight. Due to this, he was the person that everyone blamed for their defeat to France in the quarterfinals. Although Ronaldo is undoubtly still one of the best strikers, he is still overweight.
“To play in the national team is no longer a question only technical, but of commitment. And this is no longer just a collection of mine, is also in the group. To enter it you must be committed and competitive,” stated Dunga.
Since being in command, Dunga has employed low profile players, such as Nilmar, Andre Santos, Carlos Eduardo and Ramires. Leaving out the big names like Ronaldo, Ronaldinho and Pato. His reason for this is still unknown but from the following statement I can only guess that he does not want the media attention to distract the team.
“One of the things that can happen is the attention when the team arrives. Who goes to the field must have peace to work. We have privacy. Like it or not, the selection has to be close as much as possible,” explained the coach.
In the 2006 World Cup, one of the main criticisms of Parreira’s team was the massive presence of fans in training, especially in the preparation in Weggis, Switzerland.
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this was obvious,
Ronaldo doesnt really care enough, if he did he would work ALOT harder to get into shape,
its disrespectful to the sport how he has just settled for a mid table team in the Brassilian league and not lost 1 lb since joining AGES ago.
come on Ronnie you have so many die hard fans that want one last world cup from you.
please just go hard starting NOW.
he thinks he can just stay out of shape and hope he gets called to the world cup by scoring goals consistantly next season, NO WAY Dunga picks an overweight Ronaldo,no matter how he is doing in a lesser league,
I have read in one article, that Ronaldo will train the hardest in his carrer… and I trust him… as always… and don? forget his magnificant progress in last games… he is in best shape since return to field, so everything is possible… he just need to avoid injuries and work hardest as it is possible… and those who said, that Ronaldo was fatter last game… make me smile… he looks slimer and you have to know, that it was raining, so everyone especialy ronaldo was bigger.. and his running and condicion was great… next year we will see a miracle… as always in ronaldos carrier… next year he will score 50 goals, make my words.. and of course he will be in WC.. Dunga will have to take him… now he said what he had to said… he must make ronaldo to work hard… so we will see
Yes. The most important thing for him is to stay away from injuries. And people, give the guy a break. This overweight issue is annoying. He suffers from hipertiroidsm, he’s 33 yo, he ruptured his rotulian tendon 3 times which is the worst injury a sportsman can have and many more. Some of you expect him to train harder and be lean and thin like 10 years ago. This will never happen no matter how much he’d work. Now Dunga formed his first opinion about the squad that will travel to SA and if he would’ve had any intention of calling Ronaldo he should have done that already. I’m thinking about the Bolivia and Venezuela games and the friendly with England. See how he does, how he’s progressing. It seems that friendly in March is the last train Ronaldo can catch. ONE LOVE!
Dunga is an idiot,I don’t think he will call Ronaldo up if he is in great shape next year.If this article is true it says Dunga won’t even call him in March 3rd for a friendly!Now we have November,so there are 4 months and in these 4 months Ronaldo can look better but Dunga excludes him already today,he doesn’t give him the chance to prove him wrong and be in shape!And then he is talking about Ronaldo and maybe also Pato and whoever lack of committment!Why Ronaldo lacks committment?Because now he is a bit bigger than other players?This doesn’t mean he lacks committment!We know a few months ago he looked way better than now (he is really improving now) and when he was out for 2 months he gained weight.But back then and even in 2007 when Ronaldo looked great Dunga didn’t call him up! WHY?Believe me,he is just finding excuses like he always did!He never gave Ronaldo a chance even when he deserved it (2007,a few months ago,when he won 2 titles in 4 months and looked better)! I’m convinced if Ronaldo looks great in maybe February 2010 Dunga won’t call him up and before WC he will say:Yes,Ronaldo looks great now but I have a complete team who is working for years now,Ronaldo won’t fit in it (why ever!) and I don’t want to change anything!He will say this also if Ronaldo says he is willing to sit on the bench!Mark my words!Therefore it is unbelievably important people,especially someone like the president Lula,really protest before WC (when Ronaldo is fit) and do everything so Dunga has no chance but to call Ronaldo up!Otherwise,he won’t go to the WC,even he is in really great shape way before WC2010!
Ronaldo has to earn his place like everyone else.
unfortunately Reputation wont cut it.
he could be doing alot more, he isnt the only guy in the world that has hipertiroidsm,
I wish he was at stricter club, he can do what he wants at Corinthians, train as little as he feels, eat as much junk as he wants.
he is surrounded by yes men, he needs better advisors
Ronaldo earned his place always when he was called up by former coaches.And a few months ago he earend his place like he did in 2007,but Dunga always found excuses!Unfortunately Dunga won’t call him up even he is in 2002 shape!That’s for sure!He doesn’t want the person Ronaldo,otehrwise I don’t udnerstand why he callls Adriano up! Adriano never convinced under Dunag and the 1st time Adriano was called up,he even was not 100% fit.I remember even Flamengo fans said Adriano doesn’t deserve to be called up.But Dunga will always give Adriano chances,even he is not 100% and fails in the NT!Can someone give me a good reason why Dunga excluses Ronaldo from a game which will take place in 4 months?! Without knowing if Ronaldo will be in good shape or not at this time?!There you go!There is no good reason for that!No coach excludes a player from a game which will take place in 4 months without giving him the chance to get fitter!
Ronaldo pretty much runs the club. He alone through sponsors pays for all the wages and everything else. Its hard to be on Ronaldo’s side in this case when you see the likes of David Beckham working extremely hard at 33 to go to the World Cup. I want to see a lean Ronaldo next year…
dunga has not closed the door for ronaldo yet. he always said that if ronaldo performs great and is fit he will call him up. right now ronaldo is performing reasonable, not great and he doesn’t look fit, at least not as dunga would like him to be. everything depends on the copa libertadores. the campaign for ronaldo to return to the selecao will intensify months before the start of the wc. if ronaldo rocks in the copa libertadores and is below 90 kg, dunga will gladly call him up. i dont think dunga hates ronaldo, he knows what he’s capable of and he knows that a ronaldo who is in form is an incredible weapon. but he doesnt want to call up a player who still shows no signs that he’s interested or motivated. ronaldo still has plenty of chance to get back in the selecao
Why doesn’t Ronaldo show signs of being motivated?! I really don’t understand what you eman,zox?!I mean Ronaldo is almost the only one who is motivated when they play,he creates chances,makes pressure (have you seen last game) but he can’t do everything with a shit team. And also his sahpe was better a few months ago,so tell me wahy wasn’t eh called up? Why wasn’t he called up in 2007 with a great shape and scoring a lot of goals for Milan?He is evry committed and he always was,but the recen problem was his injury and we know he gains weight very afst when he is sidelined. But why doesn’t Dunga say if he is fitter then he will called up for the friendly in March?I mean,again,why can’t anybody here give me a good reason for Dunga excluding Ronaldo from a game in March?It’s 4 months Ronaldo can get fitter,but Dunga doesn’t care,therefore he exlcudes him today,maybe hoping Ronaldo will give up and won’t be in shape,so he doesn’t ahve to find another excuse to call him up for the WC2010!Again,why does he ecludes Ronaldo today from a game whicl will take place in almost 4 months?I need answers.
i didnt understand it that way. i thought dunga said what he said abot the world cup. in 2002 ronaldo was included in the squad only two friendlies prior to the cup, against portugal and malaysia, the two warmups. might be so again. and he doesn’t look motivated. he stands around too much looking disinterested. i downloaded a game from fbtz, friendly against Germany in 98 where ronaldo scored a great goal, check it out and compare it to now. its not the weight or how much he hustles defednders that its the big difference. its his movement and frequency of going deep to retrieve the ball and running off the ball. back then he was constantly on his toes, alert, involved and trying to make stuff happen, now he just waits for the ball to come to his feet and stands a lot, even when his team is on the counterattack. he isnt showing enough hunger for the game. dunga cant be satisfied with someone who just goes out and does his job without breaking a sweat. you need to be willing die on the field if you want to wear the yellow shirt. it would be unfair to guys like luis fabiano who work so much. and even though I think his shape improved, he can still do better and go below 90kg. and hes still a couple of kilos above that mark. meaning – he can be a bit thinner but he isnt. that screams lack of interest and indifference. right now, ronaldo himself said he wouldn?t call himself up. I’ll say it again. it depends on the copa libertadores. if he shines there, and i mean truly really shines there, not this brasileirao just good enough to cut it, a goal here and there performance, if he is topscorer there and actually runs, he will return to the selecao no question about it. if not, hell, he better stay out anyway than play like this there. everybody knows he can do more.
Its journalism , leave it alone .
Lets wait and see , nothing will happen if you write same stuff every week.
Ronaldo , as he said himself , will need to perform great in next Libertadores and Brasileirao to be considerd by Dunga.
And ofcourse he needs to loose weight , not so many , but atleast 5 kgs . It will be visable atleast .
And he can loose that in a month if HE wants .
Many things can happen till May of 2010.
Yes,sometimes,he isn’t fit enough and doesn’t run much,but e.g. in the last games he did a lot and didn’t only wait for the ball,he proposed himself for the ball but the thing is he is so tough marked always that it makes often no sense to propose himself for the ball because there are often 2,3,4, defenders surrounding him and as soon as he gets the ball he is fouled.If there would be more world class players in the team,then the defenders wouldn’t only focus on him so much,so he would be able to propose himself more to get the ball.And he does a lot for his team,he helps them in giving great passes and especially in creating great goal chances!We shouldn’t forget about this!And people can’t expect from him to run all the 90min like he did in 1998!He has 2 bad knees now,he can’t run throughout the whole game.And I also don’t see Adriano,Ronaldinho and Pato running the whole game!Why did Dunga call them up a few times?
I read in the chatroom right now a brazilian guy saying Dunga said he won’t call Ronaldo up for all the friendlies BEFORE WC2010!This means Ronaldo won’t play any game!So I don’t think Dunga will call him up for the WC2010 if he is in GREAT SHAPE and scores a lot,because then he can say,”I have a complete group now and they are very well in playing together and I don’t want to harm the balance in calling up a player who never played with this team!”Because if he really wanted Ronaldo in the NT he has to give him a chance to play with the team and with the attackers so Dunga can see which attacker Ronaldo can play the best!A few weeks ago said Dunga in an interview it’s very difficult for players who weren’t called up to get in this team!This means it’s important to be called up to be a part of the team,but on the other side he said now Ronaldo won’t be called up for all the friendlies before the WC!So make your conclusions!It’s very easy to see he doesn’t want Ronaldo in the NT,DOESN’T MATTER WHICH SHAPE HE IS!I,for my part,really can’t see Dunga saying,”I call Ronaldo up for the WC2010″ even he is in the best shape ever!
Headline should have read
“Fat chance of Ronaldo making the world cup”
Guys don’t be so blind.It’s obvious that Dunga doesn’t like Ronaldo like a person.That’s the big reason.It’s not his weight or temporary shape.I think that nameless has asked really good questions and you guys try it to avoid this questions,cuz you couldn’t answer it to them.There is only one way for R9.Therefore Dunga has to be put in a really big pressure,or has to be killed(this is even better)I’m not hater but i want to see The GREATEST EVER in south africa and nobody has a right to get away this last chance from Ronaldo cause he wants this,he deserve it,HE IS THE PHENOMENOM.
Thank you badboy.
http://www.ronaldo.ru/index.php?current=./2009/11/20091124a00.htm
Look at this,it’s from today and now tell me he won’t be able to look even better in almost 4 months!There is no reason to excludes Ronaldo today from all the friendlies in March!
badboy, you don’t know dunga, so how can you say you KNOW he doesn’t like ronaldo? you are guessing, just looking for excuses in the form of this conspiracy theory. he might have a problem, he might not, but one thing is for sure, you certainly don’t know.
the comments by nameless and zox are right. could it also be a personal problem seeing that dunga played with ronaldo in the past?
It’s true that i don’t know for sure,cuz i’m not near Dunga or Ronaldo,but that’s the most obvious explanation for this case.If i’m not right about that,i’ll be very happy.What is your supposition?
P.S Beside that,if i’m right and everybody waits to see what will happened in the last moment,then there wont be a chance for Dunga to be pressured.
i think you’re right badboy. although the current team is doing well, i don’t see any harm in given ronaldo a chance in at least one of the practice games. pato should be on the team no doubt.
Zulu yoa are Absolutely right.Everyone coach who isn’t against one player should give a chance to playerlike R9.But Dunga doesn’t.What’s his lost about that?!From my point of view Dunga is afraid of R9 cause he knows that if Ronaldo make a good game for Selecao,after that it will be very dificult to not call him for WC.
Badboy is right, in the last moment there won’t be enough time to make pressure! If I’m right then the WC2010 begins 11th June 2010.I don’t know when the Copa Libertadores ends but I think it’s middle or end of May 2010.But that’s a very short time,I think Dunga will call up the players end of May.And he won’t call Ronaldo up,not if he decides today to give him no chance until WC2010!Therefore the pressure has to begin at the start of next season, otherwise that’s it!
“From my point of view Dunga is afraid of R9 cause he knows that if Ronaldo make a good game for Selecao,after that it will be very dificult to not call him for WC.”
Exactly what I think for a long time now! But today I’m conviced this is really true!
I really wish to do more for this mission,but i’m not in the middle of the action(in Brazil)I hope there is enough decisive people in Brazil who loves enough R9 to support him for the national team.Wish you luck Roni
The only thing Ronaldo can do is to be fit at the start of the next season,in January already,after their training camp,and then people in Brazil have to make pressure from January on,hoping Dunga will call up Ronaldo for the friendlies in March, otherwise Dunga will find another excuse to not call up a very fit Ronaldo for the WC2010!
I have already raised some funds for a ticket plane. If Dunga doesn’t pick Ronaldo I’ll take the first fly to Brazil and I will assasinate Carlos Caetano Bledorn Verri(dunga). VIVA R9!
what im absolutely sure of is that dunga wants what is best for brazil. so if he thinks ronaldo can do what he used to be able to do for brazil, and not what he does for corinthians now, he will call him up. he said many times that he knows exactly what ronaldo is capable of, so if ronaldo does what dunga expects of him to do, he will call him up. ronaldo needs to look more dedicated to his goal, if that is indeed going to south africa, and a huge part of it is trying to slim down as much as he can, that would at least send a message to him that he is serious in his ambition and not just a retiree collecting his last paychecks.
Hey Adrian i can help you with some money for this assasination.R9 THE KING
“so if he thinks ronaldo can do what he used to be able to do for brazil, and not what he does for corinthians now”
Don’t you think therefore he has to call him up and see what he is able to do for Brazil?!And by the way,he always said he knows what Ronaldo can do and doesn’t need to test him as a player,this says he knows very well Ronaldo can do a lot for Brazil.Dunga never said he expects Ronaldo to play better to help Brazil!Where did you get it?!
“he said many times that he knows exactly what ronaldo is capable of, so if ronaldo does what dunga expects of him to do”
There you said it yourself,he knows what Ronaldo can,he never said Ronaldo doesn’t do it now!Even Teixeira never said anything about Ronaldo’s current qualities as a player,just about his weight.Dunga dosn’t expect from Ronaldo to play better,he never said this,because,again,he knows what Ronaldo can do and doesn’t have to test him.He even said it in the article above!There he says there are players he doesn’t has to test (because they are very good and he knows it himself,he doesn’t expect them to play better)!
And Ronaldo is very dedicated,otherwise Corinthians would suck much more because Ronaldo and Felipe are the only ones who are doing the most for the club!Ronaldo is more dedictaed than Adriano,Ronaldinho and Pato,but unfortunately Dunga gave them chances again and again,and he will do it in the future too!Why Dunga never said he wants Ronaldo in the NT and waits for him being fitter?!?!?!He always said it and say it e.g. about Ronaldinho and Adriano!This motivates these players a lot but if Dunga never really praises Ronaldo when he plays great and scores goals (and Dunga never praised him!) and never say he wants him in the NT (and Dunga never said that he wants him!),then it’s more than clear Ronaldo thinks one day,**** off,he doesn’t want me,why should I work my ass off?Every good coach gives the players hope so they don’t lose motivation!But Dunga is doing the contrary hoping Ronaldo will lose motivation so he doesn’t have to find another excuse to not call him up for the WC2010!And don’t tell me he doesn’t give him hope to motivate him!That’s really ridiculous!If a player suffered what Ronaldo did and has now 2 bad knees and isn’t that fast anymore then it’s clear he needs more good words from the NT coach to believe he really has a chance.Ronaldo himself knows there are other strikers who score goals and if the coach always praises other players and never him,even if he scores a hattrick and wins 2 titles in 4 months after coming back with 32 after being sidelined over a year,then,believe me,there is only one reason for this:Dunga doesn’t want him to be good enough to be called up for the WC2010!Why didn’t Dunga said in the interview HE WANTS RONALDO IN THE NT but he has to be fit?He never said it this way about Ronaldo,but he always said it this way about Ronaldinho and Adriano!It’s really easy why!Even brazilians who get more informations think Dunga doesn’t want Ronaldo in the NT for the WC2010!
Dunga and Ronaldo played together when R9 was 21 years old, and the best player in the world.
They still lost that match, even with ronaldo being the best player.
Why would Dunga then call a fat, aging and injury plagued ronaldo for 2010 wc?
Unless he regains 2002 shape AND form, it aint happening…. sad to say.
“so if he thinks ronaldo can do what he used to be able to do for brazil, and not what he does for corinthians now”
Don’t you think therefore he has to call him up and see what he is able to do for Brazil?!And by the way,he always said he knows what Ronaldo can do and doesn’t need to test him as a player,this says he knows very well Ronaldo can do a lot for Brazil.Dunga never said he expects Ronaldo to play better to help Brazil!Where did you get it?!
“he said many times that he knows exactly what ronaldo is capable of, so if ronaldo does what dunga expects of him to do”
There you said it yourself,he knows what Ronaldo can,he never said Ronaldo doesn’t do it now!Even Teixeira never said anything about Ronaldo’s current qualities as a player,just about his weight.
Dunga dosn’t expect from Ronaldo to play better,he never said this,because,again,he knows what Ronaldo can do and doesn’t have to test him.He even said it in the article above!There he says there are players he doesn’t has to test (because they are very good and he knows it himself,he doesn’t expect them to play better)!
And Ronaldo is very dedicated,otherwise Corinthians would suck much more because Ronaldo and Felipe are the only ones who are doing the most for the club!Ronaldo is more dedictaed than Adriano,Ronaldinho and Pato,but unfortunately Dunga gave them chances again and again,and he will do it in the future too!
Why Dunga never said he wants Ronaldo in the NT and waits for him being fitter?!He always said it and say it e.g. about Ronaldinho and Adriano!This motivates these players a lot.
But if Dunga never really praises Ronaldo when he plays great and scores goals (and Dunga never praised him!) and never say he wants him in the NT (and Dunga never said that he wants him!),then it’s more than clear Ronaldo thinks one day,**** off,he doesn’t want me,why should I work my ass off?Every good coach gives the players hope so they don’t lose motivation!But Dunga is doing the contrary hoping Ronaldo will lose motivation so he doesn’t have to find another excuse to not call him up for the WC2010!
But if Dunga never really praises Ronaldo when he plays great and scores goals and never say he wants him in the NT then it’s more than clear Ronaldo thinks one day,**** off,he doesn’t want me,why should I work my ass off?Every good coach gives the players hope so they don’t lose motivation!
But Dunga never really praises Ronaldo when he plays great and scores goals and never say he wants him in the NT.It’s more than clear Ronaldo thinks one day,**** off,he doesn’t want me,why should I work my ass off? Every good coach gives the players hope so they don’t lose motivation!
But Dunga never really praises Ronaldo when he plays great and scores goals.He never says he wants him in the NT.It’s more than clear Ronaldo thinks one day Dunga doesn’t want me,why should I work my ass off? Every good coach gives the players hope so they don’t lose motivation! But Dunga is doing the contrary hoping Ronaldo will lose motivation so he doesn’t have to find another excuse to not call him up for the WC2010!
And don’t tell me he doesn’t give him hope to motivate him!That’s really ridiculous!If a player suffered what Ronaldo did and has now 2 bad knees and isn’t that fast anymore then it’s clear he needs more good words from the NT coach to believe he really has a chance.Ronaldo himself knows there are other strikers who score goals and if the coach always praises other players and never him,even if he scores a hattrick and wins 2 titles in 4 months after coming back with 32 after being sidelined over a year,then,believe me,there is only one reason for this:Dunga doesn’t want him to be good enough to be called up for the WC2010!Why didn’t Dunga said in the interview HE WANTS RONALDO IN THE NT but he has to be fit?He never said it this way about Ronaldo,but he always said it this way about Ronaldinho and Adriano!It’s really easy why!Even brazilians who get more informations think Dunga doesn’t want Ronaldo in the NT for the WC2010!
Sorry for dividing my post but had some problems with posting.
If Ronaldo gets into 2002 form by world cup time, and dunga doesnt call him… THEN brazil loose… can you imagine the consequences for dunga?
Yes,and that’s really what I hope!!! If Ronaldo won’t be called up,I hope intensely Brazil will be kicked out of the WC2010 tournament in the group stages,so they even don’t reach the last 16!I hope them being the worst brazilian NT in the history of Brazil!
I totally agree with you @NAMELESS
Yes,it will have consequences for Dunga if the things going in this way,but that’s not important,cause there won’t be other chance for Ronaldo to play at WC,and that’s what matters.
dunga has never closed the door for ronaldo, never. so it doesnt matter if he didnt encourage him. it is implied in that statement that if Ronaldo performs well he will call him. he knows what ronaldo can do and fact is ronaldo can do more than he does now at corinthians, despite the goals. listen the amount of goals is just sufficient, nothing extra special. dunga isnt impressed from that, i distinctly remember him saying ronaldo is always going to score. he is concerned with other stuff, such as motivation and fitness and willingness to help the team. ronaldo just stands around man, fact. his technique is out of this world, but his effort is 10% of what it was with Madrid and Milan and even then he was criticised for that. he isn’t making runs, he isn’t demanding the ball, HE ISN’T HUNGRY FOR THE GAME. it shows lack of ambition.
if dunga thinks ronaldo can help out in south africa he will call him up. no doubt about that. but as it stands NOW, ronaldo isn’t good enough for the selecao. he himself said it. the problem is not him being fat but the lack of hunger. ronaldos technique is so good that he knows he doesnt have to do anything else in the brazilian league. but that will not be the case for the selecao. he needs to perform at the CL. dunga knows that to get the best of ronaldo he needs to push him the hardest, otherwise ronaldo will think he is going to get selected if he gets close to top form and take it easy. ronaldo needs to be kept on his toes the whole time. right now his current form for corinthians doesnt suffice. its not his best form, far from it, despite the goals he scored.
bottomline, ronaldo’s got only himself to blame if he doesn’t go to the world cup. its not that dunga hates him – actually, even if he does, for dunga is bigger priority that brazil do well than keep a player that can help out of the squad for personal reasons. if come april-may, ronaldo is tearing the CL apart, with more dedication and effort and less than 90kg, and dunga doesnt call him, THEN we can all arrange for him to be killed
but right now, dunga is right.
Zox,I hope you are right.But it’s really doubtful.Cause Dunga didn’t get him even when Ronaldo was in great shape(2006-2007).If you are right then why is that rejection?
I don’t know which gamesyxou have watched zox,but to say he is just standing around and has no ambitions is really untrue!Haven’t you never seen the 3,4 defenders around him? It makes often no sense to offer himself because most of the time 3,4 defenders foul him and get the ball.He loses the ball because of being so tough marked,but nevertheless he tries to help the team.The assists and chances he creates for his teammates show he tries a lot to help his team,he is not lazy and just standing around and dreaming!How many assists did Adraino for Flamengo? the only thing Adriano is doing is scoring goals!Why was he called up a few times?
LACHK OF HUNGER??? Sorry man,I guess you just remember a few bad games,I doubt you have seen all the great games where he did a lot,e.g. last game.He did pressure,created great chances for his team what Ardiano and Pato e.g. are not doing in the matter Ronaldo does.This shows he is more a teamplayer and is more motivated to help his team to win the games.
It’s more than important a coach motivates the players he wants to play in his team!But if Dunga didn’t do this for a year now even Ronaldo came back from a bad injury and if there are other players,strikers,Dunga always praises,at every occasion even if they don’t do much like Adriano who also “just” scores,then it’s really obvious Dunga will never ever call up Ronaldo,even if his weight is 80kg and he scores a hattrick every game!I bet his next excuse will be: “But now we have May,a few days before WC,and Ronaldo never played with this team,this team is now well-rehearsed,it would be a big risk to change it. I have my players and don’t need another one who I don’t know will fit in this team.” You have to know even Ronaldo is a great player this doesn’t mean he can easily play great with every other striker.We have seen what happened at WC2006,there Adriano and Ronaldo had problems to play together.Ronaldo could play better with Robinho.And back then I can remember members of the brazilian NT criticised Parreira’s decision to field Ronaldo with Adriano.What I want to say is,it’s important Ronaldo plays 2,3 games with the NT before WC so Dunga can see which striker pair works better.He can’t test this during the WC.And that will be another excuse of Dunga if he doesn’t call up a fit Ronaldo.
True badboy.
Actually Dunga it’s not so stupid.He knows very well that he can’t say “Ronaldo will not play in the NT anymore”.That’s why he left some doors open,but that’s a fake.About his prioritys,yes the team is at first place,but i bet hi think he could win without Roni,despite even he knows that with him is better for the NT.We’ll see
Deben destituir a Dunga por no llamar a Ronaldo. Debe haber reunión sudamericana para que boten a Dunga, y cambien de entrenador a Brasil. Para que la copa se quede en este continente. Para los que visitamos la web de Corinthians, se nota que Ronaldo se esfuerza al 100%, y no más porque sino se rompería todos los ligamentos en un solo día. Ronaldo es seguramente el futbolista actual con más fuerza de voluntad.
The only one who is to blame is Dunga if he doesn’t call Ronaldo up!I don’t think he hates Ronaldo I just see he doesn’t want him in the NT.Dunga has his own plans and Ronaldo doesn’t take part in it. After Dunga was announced as the new NT coach, Jürgen Klinsmann,the former NT coach of Germany and a former teammate of Dunga at VFB Stuttgart said,Dunga is not an easy caracter.He is someone who gets angry very easily if things don’t go his way.He is someone who is very stubborn and loses his head very quickly.After these explanations of Klinsmann I had a bad feeling.It sounded like a guy who never will change his opinion if he is convinced of something.And he is convinced of letting Ronaldo out of the NT,and I don’t think this will change if Ronaldo loses weight! That’s bullshit! To think like this is just a prove of optimism or maybe desperation because some people don’t want to deal with the facts.I don’t know,but I know Dunga won’t call Ronaldo up,therefore other things have to happen in Ronaldo’s favour!
JoseMiguel,true said,I hope South America will fight for Ronaldo! lol
Exactly!
I admit i havent watched the last game, but i watched the game against palmeiras andthe one before this one against avai i think and he was incredibly languid for a derby that should motivate him more (the palmerias game). the reason that there are always 3-4 defenders around him is because he stands in the centre and doesnt roam around the pitch like he used to do. of course, partly its because his teammates generally suck but he isn’t helping himself at all by standing and waiting for the ball to come to his feet so he can take a shot. and the reason he has assists and great passes is because he has unmatched technique and vision and coordination on the pitch – he knows everything thats going on. he makes those assists because he can get the ball through difficult places, not because he’s well positioned.
goals are not enough, maybe he could have been forgiven for his lack of movement if he was topscorer and scored almost a goal per game, but right now hes much closer to a goal every second game rather than every game. my point all along is that dunga wants whats best for brazil, ultimately because his job depends on that. if theres something that he thinks can help brazil and himself by that, he wont hesitate to do that. as of now, ronaldo doesnt look like he will bring improvement to brazil. i really have no problem with how he looks but he needs to send a message that he intends to fight. ronaldo shows no spirit on the pitch. i think he’s fast enough, but i dont think he moves without the ball enough. his radius of movement is 20 meters when the ball is in corinthians possession. i wouldnt be surprised if his amount of kms is one half or third from the average. that is unacceptable at the highest level. also if he loses just a bit more weight and its visible, the entire nation will rally behind him and the pressure will increase hundredfold on dunga. right now most brazilians share the same emotion that not losing weight shows lack of dedication which the selecao doesnt need.
“the reason that there are always 3-4 defenders around him is because he stands in the centre and doesnt roam around the pitch like he used to do.”
You are not serious,are you?!?!?!Don’t you think if he roams around the pitch the defenders can’t roam with him around the pitch? Do you think he would lose his 3,4 defenders when he roams around the pitch? Haven’t you seen what happens if he runs to the ball? The 3,4 defenders run with him to the ball!If he is in front of the net and the defenders are very close to him he doesn’t move to the ball because whenever he did it he lost the ball,because in front of the net there are often more defenders around him.Therefore he tries a lot of long distance shots.
“and the reason he has assists and great passes is because he has unmatched technique and vision and coordination on the pitch – he knows everything thats going on. he makes those assists because he can get the ball through difficult places, not because he’s well positioned.”
And? Is this a problem? The fact is he helps his teammates in creating goal chances!He did a lot of assists,much more than Adriano,Pato and maybe Fabiano.
“but right now hes much closer to a goal every second game rather than every game.”
That’s really bad! lol
Zox,my friend,to score in every 2nd game is a really good statistic!
“if theres something that he thinks can help brazil and himself by that, he wont hesitate to do that”
He hesitated to do it in 2007 and in April,May,June of 2009 in not calling up Ronaldo who was fitter especially in 2007 and scored goals and won titles and gave assists and created chances for his teammates!
“but he needs to send a message that he intends to fight”
He sent a lot of messages:2007,this year,2 titles,key player of his team.The only thing what is missing now,not before,is his shape and he is improving,but even that’s something Dunga doesn’t mention.At least he can say Ronaldo is really improving and is important for his club.And that’s obviously too much for Dunga!
“his radius of movement is 20 meters when the ball is in corinthians possession”
Honestly,I watch sometimes Milan games and I don’t see Pato moving much,except he has the ball. And I also don’t see Adraino moving much! So therefore this point shouldn’t be important, and if it’s important,then,please,for everybody, not for selected players,because then it’s really unfair and obvious the coach doesn’t want these players!
“right now most brazilians share the same emotion that not losing weight shows lack of dedication which the selecao doesnt need.”
This is not true. The brazilians like this team when it wins but not the way they are playing. They also want Ronaldo in the team.Even Dunga himself criticised the brazilians a few months ago and said there is a lobby for Ronaldo because they are always asking for Ronaldo and Dunga didn’t like it!
he jogs to the ball slowly before recieving it, not really run or make himself available for a pass. he needs to drop deeper than 10 meters from the box maximum, and go to the sides more often, especially on the left like he used to. thts why defenders are constantly on his back, he isnt making himself open and he is easy to catch then. about his assists – its easier to make assists solely from technique when you play against teams in brazil who allow gaps for passes, but not against the best national teams. as for the goals, its a non factor since adriano scores more plain and simple. goal every two games is decent but nothing spectacular especially in the brazilian league – it doesnt automatically warrant a plce in the selecao. in 2007 for milan, ronaldo was good enough to play for the selecao but he was an injury risk constantly and dunga was trying to stabilize the team from the 2006 fiasco.
ronaldo is too static, thats the truth. he doesnt play with passion at all. i want ronaldo at the wc more than anything, but he will need to show more than this, this is not enough. this is the bare minimum that he gives right now, for how much ability he has. copa libertadores is the last hope.
Dunga doensn’t want to call his old teammate – Ronldo to the squad. I think everything has ended. Dunga will be Dunga forever – an idiot. Ronaldo just tries his best.
Sorry zox,but you really should try to download all the games of 8 months Ronaldo played in! It really sounds like you are talking about another player or you simply can’t analyse games really good!
“as for the goals, its a non factor since adriano scores more plain and simple. goal every two games is decent but nothing spectacular especially in the brazilian league”
There are a lot of players who play in the brazilian league and are called up and one of them is Adriano and also Nilmar was called up when he played in Brazil and he didn’t have a better goalscoring back then than Ronaldo!There your argument goes south!
“he jogs to the ball”
Please show me a player who constantly runs to the ball!If Ronaldo would always jog to the ball he won’t ever get the ball,he always would be overran by the defenders but he isn’t always overran,so there also your argument goes south!
“he isnt making himself open”
He tries a lot to get some space and sometimes it works and the defenders can’t get him and sometimes it doesn’t work because the defenders are very attentive. Ronaldo sometimes scored goals after being able of getting some space and run away from his defenders!
“in 2007 for milan, ronaldo was good enough to play for the selecao but he was an injury risk constantly and dunga was trying to stabilize the team from the 2006 fiasco”
This is not true! In 2007 he wasn’t an injury risk,the injuries started at end of July,from January to July he was fit,in great shape and scored a lot of goals and DESERVED MORE THAN ANY OTHER STRIKER TO BE CALLED UP!!! That’s a fact,for God’s sake!!! Back then Dunga found the excuse of testing other strikers.He said he knows Ronaldo is ready but wants to test other strikers.But he called up Ronaldinho who was alongside with Roberto Carlos the biggest fiasco at the WC2006!!! Even Parreira criticised Ronaldinho while WC very much because Ronaldinho often made stupid passes and lost the ball!So why did he get a chance?This makes no sense!The reason is simple:Dunga likes Ronaldinho and wants him in the NT,that’s what Dunga now also always says,but he never wanted Ronaldo in the NT,and that’s the reason why he never gives him hope or praises him and says that he waits for him getting fitter!
You should also try to find out how Dunga reacted regarding Ronaldo and regarding Adriano and Ronaldinho since he is the NT coach. Look what he said and how he said it and if he was clear in what he is saying (especially regarding Ronaldo) and how he reacts when he is asked about Ronaldo (he is often pissed off)!
I ask you,why couldn’t Dunga say in the last 8 months anything good about Ronaldo? Why couldn’t he praise Ronaldo at least one time? I mean the guy came back from a serious career ending injury with 32 years of age and was able to score so much goals to help his team to win 2 titles in 4 months!!! No other striker Dunga called up from Brazil like Nilmar (who is now in Europe),except of Corinthians,won 2 titles this year in Brazil.And Ronaldo was also the goalscorer at one of the tournament and got even an award in Brazil.But unfortunately Dunga doesn’t care and is preparing his another excuse for excluding Ronaldo from the WC2010 NT!
maybe dunga dislike ronaldo,because he still blames ronaldo for world cup failure in 1998….
@Timo, man how can you even compare David Beckham to Ronaldo! If the pretty boy had career ending injuries like Ronaldo, he would be in the wheelchair a long time ago. There are players deserving the spot on England NT than him. Regarding Ronaldo, he got nothing to prove. He had won almost every trophies. That fool Dunga just jealous of him and he’s a hater. Next year without Ronnie, Ronie (if he performs like he suppose to), and Pato in the WC Dunga will fail.
its too early to jump to conclusions theres still a LOOOOOOOOOONG time till the WC if roni proves himlsef at the libertdotras he will go
I think, we will see Ronaldo scoring many goals at WC 2010
ronaldo vs dunga
raul vs del bosque
riquelme vs maradona
owen vs capello
cassano vs lippi
trezeguet vs domenech
loew vs kuranyi
I agree that it is unfair of Dunga to say Ronaldo will not play in March as it is so early but right now R9 doesn’t deserve to be called up, and after the way Ronaldo treated Flamengo Brasil is very divided in there opinion of him.
Hi, all!
I read this chat, and I agree with the fact: Ronnie should work harder and more. Now Dunga is the coach, he dictates the rules of being called up, so Ronnie has to meet those requirements. As he is a professional, he must know that the best from all around the world.
But, excuse me, blaming Ronaldo for 1998 and 2006? I do not know, if Dunga feels like this, but this is absolutely outrageous. In 1998, he was ill, everybody confirms it, even Zizou. In 2006, yes he was in a catastrophal shape, I was really upset with him, but the other teammates were even weaker in shape, this is my opinion. He scored 3 goals, the other strikers less!Than who should be blamed for?
I am fed up with chewing if Ronnie is fat or not, why he is not called up, etc. Fact: he could do better and more. Fact: Dunga does not feel like giving him a simple chance, either. I understand Dunga’s statement as for the WC, but I do not agree why he does not give Ronnie a chance to proove, however, Ronnie should make the first step by loosing weight and running more, etc. However, he scores goals, he should do more on the field, I agree. But the other side of the coin: Ronaldo does the obligation of a striker: scores goals. And he has always done that. Dunga should not forget it.
HREBIG
MORE ON THE FIELD??????????????? omg did u c the game before the last? he was all over the place even doing throw ins being in defence and giving out passes what more can he do? AND he scores
R9 should be there even ih his worst shape cause hi is a true legend.He has done so much for the National team,it will be very disrespectful if he has no chance.PEOPLE ALL AROUND THE WORLD WANT TO SEE RONALDO IN SA.
http://ronaldoinworldcup2010.com/
Well, i dont think r9’s performances are all to do with wieght, if he wanted the ball more he would drop deep and get it, and also run about more. Even though hes heavy, he can still do breathtaking runs adn dribbles when he tryss, but he doesnt try enough. I think if he lost some wieght it would help, buh trying more in mathces and wanting hte ball more would help alot more. Anyone agree?
jonnyadams,please read the previous comments and if you can answer the questions about why R9 isn’t called even in his best form in 2007 and why Adriano is called then you can blame Ronaldo for not true commitment.
dunga doesnt really like superstar players, and ronadlo pato dinho are superstars, plus im not saying r9 isnt commited, hes the most commited player ive ever seen, im saying if he jsut moved more to get into free space and drop deep and demand the ball, instead of waitng for it to come to him. I cant say why dungo doesnt call him up, but im sure its becasue he is a big name, as is dinho adn pato, r9 shown his commitment in the past year and a half, but he needs to move more, the last game he wanted the abll, and he hit the post at least twice, got an assit scored, and had some good dribbles and i hope he countinues like this
i really dont think dunga can resist not taking a weapon like ronaldo at the wc, as he knows what ronaldo is capable of. however fact is ronaldo is capable to do more than he does now. if he loses a bit weight and shows more determination and hunger for the game, dunga will gladly take him. i think in the end if ronaldo does wreck havoc on the copa libertadores, dunga will take him instead of adriano. but anything less wont be enough from ronaldo. simply doing his job doesnt cut it, not when theres so much competition .
I tend to agree with zox. ‘Nameless’ you have to understand that everybody has an opinion, so don’t moan like a baby if somebody disagrees with you. I am a HUGE Ronaldo fan and watch nearly every Corinthians game online, so from seeing Ronnie’s performances I agree with ‘zox’. He is still scoring goals for fun, but until he puts more effort into a game and losses some weight, then sadly we probably won’t see him at WC 2010. Just my opinion…
Dunga was BIG MISTAKE from world cup 1998…
Colombano,your opinion is based on facts but you are wrong about one thing.That’s what you said it’s true but it is not the reason for Ronaldo to not be called up.Just look at the past 3-4 years.It’s ridiculous to be blamed Ronaldo for being in bad shape and not making an effort all this time.Beside that,there aren’t better players than him(i mean right now,cuz in general hi is the best ever)in the NT.May be they run more but they are just runners(except Ronaldinho,Pato,Alves)
FINALLY HE IS SO GREAT,HE HAS TO BE GIVEN A CHANCE NO MATTER WHAT’S HIS TEMPORARY CONDITION.THIS IS THE PHENOMENOM FOR GOD SAKE.
Colombano,please don’t talk if you understand nothing! That would suit you better! You are right everyone ahs his opinion and I have mine! Only because you don’t ahve the same opinion you shouldn’t criticise!That’s really ridiculous! You are blaming me for soemthing you yourself does!
“so don’t moan like a baby”
Did I insult zox or why are you talking so much shit,Colombano?! Show me the passages where I moaned like a baby! I’m really desperate to hear your explanation! Some people should really mature!
Look I respect your opinion and admire your enthusiasm. Don’t get me wrong, I’ll be very disappointed with Dunga if Ronnie doesn’t get called up, but mabye that is because I am so used to seeing Ronaldo at the World Cup. Sadly though, I just don’t see him getting called up because of his work rate on the pitch. He still has class-that will never leave- but in order to get back into the NT, he will have to have better overall performances. Also when I say he has to lose weight, I don’t mean a huge amount, because we must remember, losing weight is easier said than done.
I know he has to improve his fitness,but what zoy and I were talking about was mainly the fact Dunga excluded Ronaldo today from the games in March and I thought that’s unfair and sounds like he doesn’t want him in the NT.Zox thinks Dunga doesn’t excludes Ronaldo. This was the main topic why the discussion started. But anyway,sorry if I understood you wrong! Let’s hope Ronaldo will improve at the beginning of 2010 so Dunga has to call him up for the friendlies in March!
Ronaldo CAN improve. dunga knows that, so maybe he doesn’t want to have a player in his team that is playing at a level lower than what he is capable of. I didnt understand the whole thing as excluding ronaldo from the march friendlies – the call ups will be announced shortly before that anyway, and someone who is in a hot run of form like hopefully ronaldo will be then at the libertadores, might be able to break in. the mission is the world cup and important is for him to get selected for the wc team in the training camp. dunga can say now whatever he wants because its debatable whether ronaldo is good enough for the selecao, but if ronaldo plays better and its obvious he is good enough, motivated, eager, hungry, dunga cant ignore him.
It was a slim chance ever since the knee injury. Nothing has changed. Dunga has not said he will not recall Ronaldo. He has said Ronaldo doesn’t need ‘testing’, he just needs to be fit, motivated, scoring regularly and helping out the team. My 2 cents is that if Ronaldo starts next year in good shape he has a chance. If he still hasn’t lost much weight early next year I doubt if he will have any chance.
ronaldo need more food..
Ronaldo is really improving,last game he was doing a lot of pressure especially in the 2nd half.Also his body looks a bit better now,and Mano guaranteed today Ronaldo will be much better next year.
http://www.ronaldo.ru/index.php?current=./2009/11/20091125a10.htm
Look at these pictures from today’s training, especially the 3rd picture. He is really improving, isn’t he? In the case he looks bigger on Sunday remember these pictures! lol
http://www.ronaldo.ru/index.php?current=./2009/11/20091125a10.htm
Look at these pictures from today’s training, especially the 3rd picture. He is really improving, isn’t he? Mano guaranteed today Ronaldo will be much better next year.
In the case he looks bigger on Sunday remember these pictures! lol
Sorry,posting problems again!
Dunga will take Ronaldo for WC 2010-it is the phenomenon’s destiny.
he doesnt look any smaller in the pics,
I wonder why he always works on his arms, they are big, he needs to do crunches, sit-ups and lots and lots of running. not developing even more arm muscle.
ronaldo need more food..lol
good luck R9 …..but definately u need to work hard dont be lazy phenomeno
hey Colombano do you mind sharing where you watch the matches online?
Justin Tv
On the weight issue. I do think Ronaldo has lost a bit of weight since the 1-1 draw with Sao Paulo. I remember watching that game thinking, crap, Ronnie looks really heavy. Since then he has lost weight, but he will have to continue doing so. Remember, at the 2006 WC he was being critisized heavily for his weight. So he will have to be even thinner than he was then. Sadly that might be to much work for o’fenomeno. But hopefully Ronaldo will defeat all odds like he usually does.